what if depression is not an illness?

what if depression is not an illness?

What if depression is not an illness? Now,
that’s a question I hear quite often. And recently I have heard someone, who I
think is a pretty reasonable person, say that depression is not an illness… And I
think that this is what prompted me to do some googling and see what other
people have to say about this. And I’ve discovered that there are actually some… therapists out there who think that
depression is not an illness. And, you know, I’ve, I’ve listened to all of their arguments, I’ve read all of their arguments, and they seem quite reasonable, but they are also easy to dismantle, and that’s actually what I’m about to do
today, so yeah… I guess I just want to share why I personally think that
depression is an illness and why it should be treated like one. I want to
stress… I have to stress at the beginning, that I am NOT one of the social justice
warriors who, you know, get triggered every single time they hear someone
mention the idea that depression, or any other mental illness, might not actually
be an illness. I actually have a list of arguments that I would like to share and
I’m not here to, you know, pointlessly scream at you.
Okay, so let’s jump right into it. First of all, I certainly agree with the fact
that any mental illness is not really an illness in the standard medical
definition of the word which is: a definite pathological process, having a
characteristic set of signs and symptoms, which may affect the whole body or any
of its parts and its etiology, pathology and prognosis may be known or unknown.
To make it a bit simpler, what I’m trying to say is that depression, or any other
mental illness, does not really attack your body or to
be more specific, your tissues, the very same way that, let’s say, the flu or
cancer would. Now, there are a bunch of arguments, a bunch of reasons why some
people suggest that depression is not an illness, but it’s rather a state of mind,
a trait of character, or even worse: a weakness. So I just want to list all of
them and I will, you know, dismantle all of them one by one. First
of all, people suggest that the cause of mental health problems has not been
pinpoint 100% and that the mythical chemical imbalance has not been fully
confirmed. And that is actually true, that is true. We do not know, we are not sure
what exactly is going on in there. It is very likely that depression stems from
influences other than the neurotransmitter abnormalities, which is the whole serotonin / dopamine thing. And among these are irregularities in brain
structure and function, disturbances in neural circuitry and various
psychological contributions, such as stress. But I ask: should a really matter?
There are other idiopathic diseases, which basically means that their cause is
unknown, yet no one denies the fact that these are indeed illnesses. There’s also
a list of illnesses that can be confirmed… that can be diagnosed only
through interviewing the patient, because there is no way… there are no specific
tests that could confirm it, like, you know, the the restless legs syndrome. But
it’s still considered an illness. Number two: some people suggest that medication doesn’t work for everyone, so depression cannot be cured, or at least, it cannot be kept in check and that is why it cannot be an illness. But I ask, should it really
matter. There are many other illnesses out there for which we don’t have
treatments that would have a 100% success rate. Now, chemotherapy doesn’t always work, but, you know, you wouldn’t say that cancer is not illness. There are many other illnesses that cannot be fully cured, we
can just try and, you know, control the the severity of the symptoms. So how is
depression any different, again. And does the fact that not everyone
responds well to medicinal treatment… Does that mean that we should ditch it
altogether? You know, surely, you wouldn’t suggest banning chemotherapy just
because it doesn’t work for everyone. And last, but not least, the people who suffer from mental disorders, most of them, lead severely impaired lives…
Now, these things can be cured or at least kept in check. However, these people won’t be able to cope with it unless they seek
professional help. Now, that – to me – sounds like how an average, more conventional
disease would work, doesn’t it. When someone breaks a leg, you don’t just tell them that if they change their mindset their bones will instantly heal. When
someone is taking insulin shots for diabetes, you don’t ask them whether they
aren’t scared that the medication will change them and you don’t ask them
whether they wouldn’t prefer to cope with it on their own. When someone has
the flu, you don’t just tell them to snap out of
it and get out of bed. So why would you say those very same things to people who
suffer from mental disorders… And… Disorders that we know – because it has
been scientifically proven and it has been documented over the years – these
disorders will not go away on their own in most cases. Now, there are people who
suggest that depression is not an illness, it’s rather a symptom of our
consumer culture, the constant rat race, the pressure for perfection imposed upon
us by the social media. So, I guess the theory is that people who… who are
somehow more emotional, somehow weaker, they can’t take it. They can’t take the
pressure and as a result they become depressed. And I say yes this might be
one of the many causes of depression, but, you know, I don’t think that it’s the illness itself. I don’t think that this is enough to explain the
complexity of depression. Because what about the people who are clinically depressed for no apparent reason? What about the people who actually won
the rat race, what about the the people who are successful, who are rich, who have
it all, who are, you know, considered attractive or whatever, but they are
still depressed. And last but not least: what about all of the people who are
overly emotional, who are very responsive to what goes on in the world, who care
too much, but yet, they are not depressed. Take me for example.
It’s a little bit weird to talk about myself this way, but I am the so-called
highly sensitive person. I am very emotional, although I don’t really show
it on the surface, but, you know, I think a lot, I dwell on things inside… And yeah, I
guess I just, you know, I have heightened empathy, which – I think – is what allows me to make those videos, to make them so relatable, at least according to
you, I don’t know… But yeah, and, you know, my life hasn’t been that easy, to be
quite honest, especially for the past… for the past couple of months and
somehow… I’m not depressed. I’m not. I never was and, you know, I don’t feel like
I’m about to be. So I think what I want to say is that, you know, it’s it’s not
a general rule, it’s… it’s not enough, the theory that people that are somehow
more emotional, are more prone to depression. I don’t think that’s enough
to explain it. I really don’t want to go overboard with this so let me just
stress that I think that the feelings of depression, anxiety, stress or any other
unpleasant emotions, they are a part of the human condition, they are normal, they
are natural. I don’t think that these should be labeled as something bad, as
something that is unwanted. I don’t think that we should, you know, strive to fully
erase these because that would be absurd, that would be like, like a real life
version of a Brave New World, which is something I really don’t want to happen.
So… Also, I believe that getting rid of depression or any other mental illness
is in the hands of the person who suffers from the disorder, because that’s
actually what a lot of therapy is about. And, most importantly, I don’t think that
simply popping a pill every single time is the right way to go. I don’t think
that overmedicalizing this issue is the one and only and the right solution
to this. However, there are times when people cannot cope on their own. They
need the help of medication, they need the help of therapy. Sometimes, and I
think that actually most times, a mix of these two things works best. So as you
can tell I’m trying to find a middle ground here, basically… having a
discussion with myself. But yeah, and to all of the people who suggest that there
was no depression in the good old times: I just want to say that Mount Everest
wasn’t discovered and named by the West until the 1850s and I’m pretty sure the
mountain still existed, okay? So to sum up, what I want to say is that I
personally don’t really care whether mental illnesses are called illnesses, because I
know what they are, I know how they should be treated I know how they work.
But there are a lot of people out there who don’t know how these work, there are
many misconceptions about mental disorders. And I do believe that labeling
mental disorders as illnesses has taken so much of the stigma away, which
obviously is a good thing. And I guess, that being stubborn and just arguing
that these are not illnesses, just because they don’t exactly fit the
biological definition of the word illness, won’t do any good. It can only do
harm, because it basically, it opens up doors for all of the people who think
that it’s just a weakness, it’s just a trait of character, it’s laziness, and,
you know, saying that it’s not an illness basically… takes us back to medieval times and we don’t want that. Every time we suggest that it’s not an illness, I think we further stigmatize it. I think we somehow suggest that people who suffer from these disorders, they are somehow weaker, that they cannot cope
with it on their own. And some people even romanticize depression and, you
know, they say that sadness is a good thing in this empty world and that we
should all feel more sadness and that… Depression should be somehow nurtured,
which is such a ridiculous idea. What I think is worst about this is that when
you say that it’s not an illness… When you say that, you imply that
people who suffer from these disorders should actually be able
to cope with them on their own. And when it turns out that not everyone can cope
with it on their own, these people become ashamed. And when people become ashamed, they refuse to seek help. And what happens when people refuse to seek help? They often attempt a suicide. Now, there’s no hidden agenda in this for me. I’m not a psychiatrist, I’m not psychologist, I am not in any way linked
to the pharmaceutical industry. I’m not even depressed and I never was
depressed. So you may be wondering why I am so passionate about this and, you know, first of all I just guess I like to discuss various interesting ideas,
various interesting topics, but I think that the main reason why I took my
understanding of the mental health issues… of the mental health case, what
took it to another level was me being diagnosed with social anxiety and me
opening up to the world about it. So, you know, when I did it, when I finally had the guts to admit it, to admit that I was struggling with mental health issues, I
was somehow denied – by some people – – the right to suffer from a mental
disorder. No matter how hard I tried to explain that I’ve been diagnosed both by
a psychiatrist and a psychologist, and I actually, you know, took medication for a while, for a very brief while actually… No matter how hard I try to explain that
I actually went to therapy for a year, every single week. No matter how hard I
tried to explain that maintaining a high functioning persona online, although I
wouldn’t really call myself high functioning, as I think you can clearly
tell, but yeah maintaining an online persona in the comfort of your home,
where you can edit out all of the mistakes, where you can put a filter on
or whatever, it’s not the same as what you would act like around people in
in real life. Even though I tried to explain all of these things, people still
had the nerve to say that I am somehow making it up or doing this just to get
attention, because clearly, for these people, these two things don’t work. Being
online and having social anxiety. These things don’t work. So I guess this left
me a little bit broken and very much disappointed. Because not only did the
mental illness itself mess up my life. But, you know, the people, the society, when I finally, you know, opened up about it, they didn’t just accept it, they, you know…
Some people just questioned it at every single opportunity they got. And I guess
I just hope that when my children are around, and when they need any mental
health help (I hope they don’t, but if they do) I hope they will instantly get
it without having to get humiliated along the way, the way many of us were.
And I guess I just hope that in the future, people will get help before it’s
too late. So yeah, thank you so much for watching
and I will see you in my next video. Bye!

100 thoughts on “what if depression is not an illness?

  1. Hi
    I’m in love with your videos and I know that you need some financial help.So I have a suggestion.Why don’t you want to make online streaming with donations,where you can discuss different topics,answer the questions and at the same time make some money for your new masterpieces? 😊

  2. I just got diagnosed with depression a couple hours ago. I’m really not sure if am depressed or feeling overwhelmed or tired or down. They prescribed Bupropion to “fix it up”. I’m afraid that will make everything worse. I need to know “how to know if someone is depressed cuz this is totally new to me” and “does BUPROPION ever helps?”

  3. I think that it is an illness, but that it's overdiagnosed. People mistake sadness for depression. They fail to see the environmental factors influencing their sadness. Psychiatrists have subscribed to the idea that all people must be happy all the time and if they are not, well, there's "a pill for every ill."

    I think many people who are diagnosed with depression simply lack coping skills. They haven't learned how to overcome the turbulence of life and keep moving forward. Other times I think depression is a reaction to their environment. It's hard not to get depressed when we think of the state of our world.

  4. Mozg osob z depresja nie funkcjonuje tak jak u normalnego czlowieka, wiec oczywiscie, ze to choroba i wplywa tez na funkcjonowanie ciala ogolnie, tym bardziej jesli laczy sie ze stresem – uklad nerwowy czy trawienny nie funkcjonuje tak jak powinien, obniza sie odpornosc itd… potrafi wiec nasiac niezlego zametu w organizmie, o czym zreszta ciagle przekonuje sie na wlasnej skorze. Swietnie, ze powstaja takie filny, ktore troche uswiadamiaja ludzi, moze zmaleje liczba tych, ktorzy mysla, ze jesienne przygnebienie to depresja albo osob, ktore maja ludzie z prawdziwa depresja za leniwe, szukajace usprwiedliwien, zyciowo nieogarniete – bo nawet jesli to prawda wynika czesto z choroby. Jakis czas temu uslyszalam od wtedy jeszcze bliskiej mi osoby, ze albo sie ma depresje albo robi sie cos ze swoim zyciem. Szczerze mowiac bardzo sie tym przejelam i nigdy nie bylo mi tak wstyd za to jaka jestem i co nie wynika z mojej winy bo na pozor z moim zyciem wszystko jest w porzadku i przypuszczam, ze czegokolwiek bym nie zrobila i do czego bym nie doszla problem ze mna pozostanie jesli sie nie wylecze i nie doprowadze rzeczy do porzadku ale w mojej glowie, a nie w zyciu….

  5. Well spoken! Thank you. Your voice is great to add to this conversation. Its wonderful to hear a calm voice making a logical argument 🙂

  6. Illness – Non-Illness. Either way. The shrinks still give you a bill just before they say "see you next week."
    (I don't know about you BUT black humor is the only thing that keeps me from sinking into the abyss.)
    And, at least on-line, you are very high-functioning.

  7. depression is hopelessness over a long period of time. there is some event somewhere in your past, or many, that have made you feel like there's no point. there's nothing wrong with your brain. there is something wrong with the way you were treated by someone, others, or your own thoughts. don't worry, I've suffered for 10 years, I have experience. trust me, and TRUST YOURSELF. Give your life a look and lead yourself to an environment where you are around people that actually care about you, and think thoughts that nurture yourself. you are worth it, we can make it….. ♡♡♡

  8. Hmmm.. I can argue with the first argument. Mental illnesses do affect the body. "physical" symptoms is sleep troubles, poor appetite or overeating an so on. Furthermore, let's don't forget that all psychological stuff like thoughts, emotions and etc is pretty physical. It's is a very complicated activity of electrical and chemical impulses. So it's pretty materialistic.

  9. What I really wonder is why people assume that they completely understand and can rationalize other people's feelings, when even the people themselves that they are talking about cannot. They are so quick to assume, judge and conclude as if they are the ones who are experiencing the life, thinking the thoughts or feeling the emotions that the other person is going through.

    "Oh, you have anxiety? Are you sure? Maybe you are just lazy."
    "Oh, you're depressed? Are you sure? Maybe you are just sad."
    "Oh, you're suicidal? Are you sure? Maybe you are just weak."

    And to them I say – "Oh, are you me? Are you sure? Maybe you are just wrong."
    In the end, that's what makes the opinions of people like them just sound pathetic to me. You have no right to tell me how I feel nor do you have the right to tell me if I should feel that way or not. Why should you control or know more about my feelings more than I do?

    P. S. It doesn't mean that I always agree that everyone who thinks they have anxiety, or thinks they are depressed or suicidal truly are; all I believe is that another person has no right to invalidate what you feel just because they think or believe otherwise.

  10. Depresja to choroba, która jest śmiertelna. Niecały miesiąc temu "zmarł" mój brat, leczył się już długo. Nie dał rady…

  11. It is an illness and it's not an illness. Anyone in my shoes would be depressed. I love traveling but haven't been able to do so for many many years. Health problems, poverty. My grandpa died in January and I only have 2 people left in my life.

  12. Why would you even dislike this video?!

    I'm so happy I found your channel, it's truly beautiful. I have not disagreed even once.

    …and yes, your voice is so calming to listen to!

  13. For your first argument on how mental illnesses do not affect tissue negatively -please have a look at the quite interesting papers on the inflammatory pathways and neurocircuits.
    Moreover, mental illnesses that give way for higher probability of delayed sleep have well documented disastrous neuropathic effects on the brain (especially interesting for the prefrontal cortex for example).

    Here are a couple of papers on the topic:

    ADHD: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5684106/


    Depression: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5542678/

  14. Też jestem high sensitive, hm.
    Ja choruje na depresję, nerwice lekowa od okresu dojrzewania, ale u mnie to spowodowane jest sytuacja rodzinną. Nie miałam jakiejś klasycznej patologii, ale to w połaczeniu z moją wrażliwością dało taki efekt. Bardzo mało mówi się o kwestiach rodzinnych i wychowania, bo jak nie było alkoholu i bicia, to czego chcesz. Niestety istnieje coś takiego jak przemoc psychiczna myślę, że u młodych ludzi, którzy borykają się z depresją, często warto dopatrywać tego właśnie w dzieciństwie. Brak wsparcia, poczucia bezpieczeństwa, krytykanctwo, brak akceptacji. Niestety to dość popularny w Polsce model wychowania. To trauma dla dziecka. Ale ogólnie świetny film, lubię Cię słuchać 🙂

  15. no one would listen, , they all tell me I'm just sad and ill get over it soon. they all just leave at the end, no one stays no one understands. even if I'm surrounded by a lot of friends, I feel lonely. if I open up, I'm scared I will get judged. everyone is telling me to stop being weak and to stop crying, after that I put on a fake smile and at night when everyone is sleeping I lock my room and start to overthink, 'maybe its all just In my head? i'm not ereally depressed' but things always get worse. will anyone be here to hear me out? I probably wouldn't open up anyway. i'm better off alone. and I, am not good enough and nor will I ever be.

  16. I took anti depressants. and it helped me more then any excersise or meditation i did. i no longer take them but i do believe if it weren't because i took them i would still be depressed.

  17. Eloquent and well versed :>. I have depression. But I try not to let it stop me now. In fact, I see more of the positives my experiences have given me now – fighting with positivity, empathy to others, awareness of self &environment . It took me a long time to admit that something more than constant procrastination was wrong. & I had to start questioning how I was living. Why was i still in an abusive relationship? Why did I let others affect how I felt so easily? I feel like the improvements to my life is glacially slow – getting work, my drivers license, engaging socially…. But probably because I am treated like doing these things, fighting my anxiety, shouldn't be a big deal. "Just do it"- I hate that phrase.

    Most of the time, my mood is very sombre. But I'm more okay with that. I still feel like there is a stigma in mental illness. Like "why bother with me when you could choose someone normal who doesn't randomly get emotional and awkward". Maybe that's just me in my head. People are usually nice- and I know I can just reject those who are mean spirited.

    I don't call it a weakness. But I don't call it an illness either. I find just calling it 'something I have' works for me best.

    Side note: I do take medication, but I have found they have generally only helped to the extent of stopping suicidal thinking (2->4 on a mood scale). I feel it's up to me / talk therapy to improve any further.

  18. I have been diagnosed with depression and I personally have started to think that depression is because of your environment you live in and the fact that you aren't happy with your life. It seems as if "chemical depression" is a term made up so that people can sell medicine and make money off it. Pills didn't help me. Making my life better and something I am happy with more has though. This includes thinking through why I act the way I do etc. Self therapy sort of. I spent a whole summer thinking. I am still depressed some days or feel disconnected from reality but I don't feel as bad as I used to. I noticed that you took my point of view into consideration, but all the people who I know and who are depressed are either depressed because of the people around them (e.g. domestic abuse or a loss of a family member etc.) Or they are just not happy with their life in general. I think that labelling makes it worse as well… I also think that therapy works if someone just needs help with dealing with past bad experiences and traumas if they can't do it alone. I hope everyone has a good day 🙂 and remember this is just my opinion ❤ hope this comment wasn't too messy 😀

  19. byłam świecie przekonana, ze jesteś amerykanka z polskimi korzeniami dopóki nie zagłębiłam się bardziej w kanał😅

  20. It is a illness and it dont go away.. The tablets dont work for me i have tried 3 different types. I work an addicts step program and i meditate being an addict the program helps i love your videos Kat your awesome and the people you work with.. Another great video.. Thanks

  21. Chciałbym zwrócić uwagę na twoją rozmowę w języku angielskim. Utarło się przekonanie, że nazwa angielska jest lepsza, bardziej pro i super. Tak samo i w twoim wypadku. Chcesz być lepsza, bardziej zauważalna i przede wszystkim ważniejsza od polaków. Postępują tak z reguły osoby, które w przeszłości nie były doceniane, nie miały rozgłosu, gdzieś może to zahaczać o DDD. Mam nadzieję, że nie muszę tego tłumaczyć na język angielski.

  22. I appreciate you. You help me to know I’m not alone in my own head. That everything I’m experiencing with my anxiety and depression isn’t out of the ordinary and I’m not weird in anyway. Your videos uplift me & encourage me to keep fighting for my happiness💕 you’re very beautiful also and I love your style☺️

  23. This was really needed. This topic needs to be discussed so as to dispel the stigma attached to it. Also, the idea of a social persona having social anxiety is new to people, maybe because most ( social persona with social anxiety) didn't open about it before. Appreciate your work Kat!

  24. Depression is an illness. I was able to rid myself from it after immune stimulation for 2-3 years, along with other problems. I had it for decades. A VDR agonist is necessary. Nothing to do with a "state of mind" and it does not "attack the body".

  25. I truly don't mean this to be harmful, but why do you have a video called living with depression if you never have struggled with depression?

  26. You are cute and unique which is pretty rare these days. Just remember it if anxiety strikes again…

  27. I'd like to add the point you have made at 6:30 about the rat race and the industrialization of our society effects the "weak" and causing them to feel depressed. If someone would not consider depression a disease because it's a symptom of society, then should also be considering diabetes a disease because it has only become prevalent these years because of the change in our consumption of food, and atopic diseases like asthma and food allergies have become more common because of the artificial and food preservatives we consume, and how people with highly stressful jobs are more likely to develop hypertension and cardiovascular diseases, who's to say depression is not a disease just because it's precipitated by changes in society, many diseases are.

  28. Yes, it is a disease. It is genetic with me. I had child OCD, BDD severe anxeity. I managed it until the age 25. It spanned into MDD. My life is terrible. I learn from other sufferers and meds. Kratom helps with my meds. It is the only thread left.

  29. I told someone I was battling depression and I needed professional help, and he told me why? That's not necessary, just pray, reach God… Would I do that If I have a broken leg? Just wait for it magically heal?

  30. What do you mean by an illness?Like is it question of hereditary factors or not being the contributing force for depression or is it an argument for making 'depression a definition.


  32. maybe this is too personal, but does your whole family agree with you on this topic? I'm having trouble talking to my mom about it, about depression and mostly social anxiety.. which really goes hand in hand I think. and even though she's pretty much my best friend in all other aspects of life, she simply doesn't get my issues which are actually quite severe.

  33. If i move to Poland, could you be my therapist… I love mgla ../ aswell…. Much love, secret admirer from south africa

  34. I get nervous taking videos of myself playing the piano. I can retry playing a song I've mastered about 20 to 30 times before I get it right. And sometimes I don't. As soon as I'm aware my playing is being observed I get nervous and make a mistake.
    This is one of the many ways my anxiety puts me down.

  35. When I first saw the title "what if depression is not an illness?"
    I didn't think about your avarage ambivert person who thinks depression ia stigmatized state of mind.
    I actually thought, what if depression is not an illness, therefore, there's no cure, only paliatives ?

  36. I agree that depression should be treated like an illness, because without that mind set, people with depression such as myself, would feel hopeless or that they cant have a normal life ever. I've been told that it's unfair for me to ask another human being to love me because it's unfair for those who would have to live with me. I already have this mind set and have pulled back from letting anyone love me, well I sit in the shadows and watch them walk away. This isn't fair to those of us to be pushed into the shadows because nobody cares. Because there's always someone who does.

  37. I don't think depression is a sickness. These people are realistic. They can feel the true sadness of this world, when the apathetic people can't.

  38. Kat Napiorkowska … you remind me of Russell Brand, in the way that, you both are seeking to understand and you are sharing your search with others. You both are very honest and compassionate. It is very interesting to consider your viewpoints and to see what each of you have learned and how it has made you grow. Thank you.

  39. I have had since childhood. It made me choose a very lonely life (social anhedonia). I never even been in a relationship It is hell. RLS can occur during MDD. It happens to me. I also get restless arm syndrome too. I think it comes from a head injury too.

  40. First of all, as you’ve stated, depression is recognized as a mental* illness now. I think what you’re alluding to is the traditional strict definition of illness vs disorder? To that end I say it’s just a label. Why do you care so much how the medical community labels it? “I have an ILLNESS not a disorder.” It’s the same thing regardless of the label. Before it was labeled a mental illness was it different? I think people do this because illness conveys a type of severity. Or involuntary affliction. While depression is involuntary, it is as if you own it. You don’t own the flu, for example. You caught it. You weren’t born with it. Some people want to call it a straight illness because of this, not a mental illness or a disorder. To disassociate them self from the stigma surrounding certain mental illnesses. Like alcoholics say they’re suffering from the “disease” of alcoholism. We know you’re suffering. We know it’s bad. You don’t have to try and change its label to reflect how it perceptively feels in regards to how the general population reacts to a word. We have enough of that dumb shit from the sjw’s. If you "feel" better calling it that, a straight illness, fine. I don’t give a shit what you call it. We call water borne E. Coli dysentery, Montezuma’s Revenge. Everyone knows what it really is. Doesn’t change it.

    We label things to order them. Not to make you feel bad or to diminish what you have. If that needed to be said. As for people telling you you’re making it up, those people are fucktards. Label them as fucktards, advise them of their new identification, tell them they’re blocked, then turn around and walk away from them.

  41. Do you know that there are a lot of proofs and hypothesis that causes od depression are totally "biological"? And it's not a chemical imbalance.

  42. They day we realize microbes play the vital role in mental health and not an “imbalance of neurotransmitters” you can tell others you read it here first.

  43. Crying when I’m depressed helps me feel less empty it’s almost pleasurable to feel the sadness even if it’s forced anything but numbness

  44. i have severe depression
    i have had literally a therapist tell me i don’t have it and i stopped going and now i live with it. i’m so scared to get another therapist or physiologist because i’m afraid they’re gonna do the same – just ignore it and not try to help me. i live in a small country and i’ve had regular people even tell me that i don’t have depression and they don’t even know me…
    it’s getting so bad to the point where my mental health grows. my depression led to anxiety and selective mutism, i also have body disphoria and that led to anorexia nervosa.

    k i’m out

  45. Well everyone gets depressed.

    Let me make it clear if bad shit is happening to people it is natural to get depressed.

    Being depressed just means overwhelming sadness and everyone gets overwhealingly sad at some point.

    The problem is when you are dealing with emotions and states of mind the shit gets highly subjective.

    Plus their are a lot of people that get better over time.

    Until psychology and psychiatry looks at people as a whole they are going to have a very incomplete picture on the human experience.

    Plus if you admite the actual cause of these problems are not known could it be that you guys are not taking the shit people have been through into consideration ?

    I mean the brain takes info on the inviorment through your 5 senses and processes that right ?

    So what if maybe psychological problems are rooted in a person's upbringing and life struggles ?

    This case it would not be a disease but the problem would be real just that the cause would be shit hitting the fan so to say.

    Everyone at sometime gets depressed and the problem must be addressed at the root cause for them to get over it.

    Some people never address the root cause so never get over it.

    An emotion is not a disease and everyone gets anxiety at some point unless they are a psychopath.

    Plus you say on one end of your mouth the actual cause of the problem is not known but somehow you know it.

    Ok witch one is it?
    Because quite honestly women you speak out of both sides of your mouth.

  46. So Waite these problems are emotions but disease ?

    So Depression is sadness but it's a disease and you never get depressed ?

    So these are part of the human experience but are diseases ?

    The actual cause of the problem is not known by the so called professionals but somehow you know ?

    Well if the cause of the problem is not known like you say how can you know ?

    You say you are emotional but don't get sad how is that if to be depressed means to be sad?

    To you these problems are scientifically proven but they still don't know what causes it.

    I guess this one depends on what you mean by scientifically proven.

    You speak out of both ends of your mouth and unless you are a psychopath you will have some anxiety or nervousness and get sad at some point.

  47. Mental illness is ‘mental’ as in the name. Illnesses are usually thought to be a physical thing, which is why some people use that as an argument, but as in the name it’s ‘mental’ or psychological. Meaning that it is in your mind. Just like most illnesses it worsens you as a person.

  48. There is a great lesson on depression from Standford university professor Robert Sapolsky.

    You can find it on youtube, it's about an hour long and he goes quite in depth to explain all the biological aspects of depression such as irregularities in sleep patterns etc.
    He himself suffers from depression, and he argues that it certainly is an illness without a doubt.

  49. So funny how you said that you were going to "dismantled" every argument against your point of view. But instead you simply start saying: this argument is very valid, BUT, does it really matter?.

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